Greetings Everyone, I will start with a little bit of history
about myself. I started my path as a child with those strange unexplainable
happenings that occur. I got sidetracked from the path for 10 years
but felt the calling, when my grandmother died; and began in depth independent
reading, researching and study. My longest teacher was roadwarrior,
an Athabasken, Alaska Native American...he is the last of his kind in
his tribe, the witch woman and his mother have passed. I presently have
another teacher to guide me. I have had many teachers who have crossed
my path. It is my firm belief that everyone one is a student and teacher!
I would like everyone to take a minute .and centre and do a silent
Tonight we are going to start our discussion; with the 3 things that
can cause a person to leave the path....
Fear, Ego & Complacency
Many become aware and start seeking the spiritual path but as they
find their abilities/gifts/talents, they take them for granted. Then
the other extreme is Ego, Some how somewhere, People sometimes forget
that everything comes from the One Supreme Being Not ourselves, they
just forget it seems, and give all the credit to themselves.
Fear...is the hardest.... our very animal nature is fight or flight
i.e. fear. Then we have to overcome all the social programming we
have received...and utmost our own personal demons and we all have
them. But Fear is a tool of Ego to make us unsure and to keep us from
Ego wants to rule and not let our spirit emerge.
It will fight and self sabotage you. Make you think what is happening
to you is crazy and not real. Fear has no bounds.
Now this is the setting for our discussion....
Fear, Ego, Complacency
What do you feel?
What is the One Supreme Being you mentioned, do you mean Universal
Universal Energy from our universe is just a tiny part of the One
But how do you know that every universe put together doesn’t
make the Supreme Being, which is like a human basically only with
energy, or supreme image. Karma is in there too.
The Great Spirit?
Yes there are many names for the One Supreme Being.
ONE Supreme Being gives the energy a human form?
Humans are a part of the One Supreme Being
What is the One to you?
The One is the true spirit of everything known or unknown, imagined
or unimagined, perceived or unperceived for universal upon universal
to all eternity
It is in every world universe, dimension, spirit guide, Everything!!!
Everything and we are mere specks of specks in it all. Every spiritual
tradition, religion etc. All have the same basic belief’s Basically,
it is all the same just different names; and then a lot of added philosophy
on top of it...For Instance in the Bible alone there are over 50 names
for the One. If you study the great religions... you will find the
parallels. My quest began with the great flood...
So now we turn to the question - How can we avoid ego? Some people
feel we cannot so there we ask why not? Is controlling ego ...that’s
the issue eh?? We have an ego. The answer to this is partly; keeping
ego from taking us off our spiritual path.
Why would you want to avoid the ego? Ego....makes us think We are
the ones who are special... that we have all the answers and abilities
are our own work. Ego helps move you forward too, without that we
would all stand still. I feel that nothing stands still in this world
dimension...Standing here, still soon becomes being. Behind...change
is constant here in this earth world that is the lesson here. Yes....
we all have ego but to let ego become the main force is that right?
Is that what we want? Is it right for someone to take all the credit
for a healing say? The trouble is ...egotists don't know usually,
actually realise, how they come over; or is that a level of ego too...denial?
Yes, denial is a form of ego too; another facet of the same thing.
Any time...that a person forgets... that they are channels for the
Supreme Being... and start taking the credit or worse believes it
is their own doing...then that Ego is a problem.
Indeed, you confused the two though with what you asked no offence.
You will find sometimes I will be the devils advocate with my questions.
When Ego becomes a problem...then what? We plateau in our development,
we lose our true path and walk an illusion, and quality deteriorates.
Yes and worse...Knowledge is lost... Abilities fail, soon.... there
is nothing left but an ordinary unaware person. I have even seen an
insanity of sorts. I have seen a fabulous medium’s ability been
replaced with ego and showmanship. I think if Ego totally takes over;
you don’t get an ordinary person...You get a real space cadet
type ... that does no good for the name or practice of mediumship
Even worse than all this.... when a person starts falls to the power
and control of Ego, the begin to slip over to the other side from
Light to Dark.... they start to turn sort of grey.... (or red is another
name) then they just get darker and darker.... the opposite of light
workers...darks. Is not everyone ordinary then? Power i.e. energy
neutral neither light nor dark the intention that it is used, is what
is important. Negatives? I guess if you accept concept of light love
and truth; you have to accept the dark and all that goes with it.
There is the opposite of light yes; and degrees between. We all know
the ying and yang symbol? It is a Round circle with a white swirl
and a black swirl interlocked. The white has a small circle of black
the black a small circle of white. Okay in the dark there is a speck
of light nothing is ever completely dark. The white has a speck of
dark that could equal ego.
Don’t you feel we need to have a measure of ego to survive,
to thrive and push forward. So how do we know? How do we keep our
ego in check? It is a balancing act.... Ego...yes makes us curious
but if we become driven by it, or controlled by it ...Ego is too much
then. Does it not also drive us to be the best we can be? Yes, small
Ego can...but large amounts of Ego also makes you want to keep up
with the Jones materialistically. It wants you to become involved
with getting certificates, a lot of them for learning. It makes you
concerned with how much your clothes cost and the car you drive....
on and on, and while you are so distracted.... what are you doing
with your spiritual path?
I feel that Ego does allot more than that! Ego is only a problem
if you allow it to drive you in such a, manner/direction / fashion.
So does that imply there is a positive and a negative ego...? There
has to be, to keep yin and yang balanced??? However, I am biased,
I am an old hippy. And were the priorities of the hippies far off?
Think of all the worlds monks and nuns… Far out Hun! But then
are certificates not also building blocks? Encouragements to work
harder at learning too? Are the certificates just a by-product of
your leaning, or to show off on the wall to people? What is the intention
behind it? Ego also makes you fearful. What if you do not get the
certificate, what will everyone think.... you are a failure...? Certificates
can also be a way to give oneself a feeling of self worth. Achievement
when it has never been given to you before. It depends where you place
them I guess? Yes the degree of Ego or Ego....
I feel both... but also a thing to achieve for yourself. It is just
another contract that binds you in a way isn’t it. This is true...
That is not Ego controlled. Ego creates fears, and magnifies and repeats
experiences like bad ones, making them worse. Little Ego also says
I can be I will be I am better than this. It is as someone said, there
is positive and negative to everything. A little of something is good
like, some Fear of falling rocks that makes you run away, is good.
But then there is dark and light why not then? Because in ego, fear,
and compliancy, like in the ying and yang symbol; there is no pure
light or dark. There is No black and white there are only degrees
of grey between. True complete light, is the One Supreme Being that
all paths lead to… Dark is the total extreme opposite... There
is a whole spectrum of grey between. There are both. They are part
of everything. You have to have both! So is the Supreme Being both
dark and light also? Yes, if you accept the concept that there is
only One? What’s a Supreme Being? One created everything.. It
is part of the whole; a definition of Hell is the absence of God.
Ahhh but then that’s a heavy thing to say, who created the one?
One just Is...No beginning No ending. Alpha and Omega…infinity.
We are in hell! Are we? Only if we choose to be. Were in heaven? Perspective!
Perception.... positive or negative? Depends on your concept and acceptance
of the g-o-d word doesn’t it?
Everyone torments one another, everyone denies another’s pain.
I Don’t agree sorry. I don’t intentionally, set out to
' torment' anyone. Okay.... who felt the pain of the tsunami? Who
actually got sick when that much energy was just gone? I am an empathic
like I said is something I saw. I believe everyone is an empathic...just
depends on how strong that ability/gift is. I wish that was true,
Maybe in your world! I believe it Is true, everyone comes into this
world with a full set of cards or abilities/ gifts some are very,
very weak, and others are very strong. Why is life a game of cards?
Okay...not cards let us say with a full Set of abilities, you have
all the gifts/abilities....but they are not all equal... You can make
some of the weaker ones stronger by experience and work... We are
all healers too..it is basic human nature to put our hands on others
pain... just not everyone chooses to use the ability.. In fact many
don’t but its there. I usually chose not to heal...I can heal...and
I can heal hard cases.... But that is not my strongest gift...and
there are many healers. I agree but does that not mean are Ego is
in control? I reckon most ego isn’t. What is your intent when
healing? Is it for power and recognition, or to truly help? Intent....
Thought is energy... it can create. No wish for power and like to
stay in the shadows. On the other side in other dimensions, etc..and
in our past... whatever we think becomes reality. If you imagine a
monster.... then there is a monster... Your thoughts are Real energy...and
they create exactly what you think. Hear! hear! Is there a monster
with in us? Yes, we all have the possibility of a monster inside of
us. Okay Thank You. Are you referring to when meditation? Yes, meditation,
astral travel to the other side, this world… Is Ego a monster?
Uncontrolled yes. I never thought what I was picking up, so how come
it seemed real to me? What are you picking up? The energy you feel?
Yes ...you feel the negative energy. If you create a mindset, where
everyone is against You... and you gives it power. Thoughts then that
thought becomes real.... because there is no room for any other possibility.
I don’t create those mindsets though, they are already there.
Is that the 1st step on the path to full blown paranoia? Then the
trick is to look for the sparks of light, to look for the good bits,
and change the focus.
We all feel energy right? Anyone not know what I mean? Yes have it
around me a lot. Okay...Healing Energy is different than Universal
Energy Is it? Universal Energy is different than Divine Energy, Vegetable/Plant
energy is different. It all has different feelings, but it is all
part of the Divine Energy. What is Divine Energy? Divine Energy is
from the One Supreme Being, All of it, like combined. What’s
the diff between Divine Energy and Earth Energy? Can you use Earth
Energy for healing others? Yes, Earth Energy is a part/facet of Divine
Energy...Divine Energy is all energy a Total combination. Then the
Earth planet also has ley lines.... a powerful energy flow like veins
or nervous system. What’s the difference? If a rainbow is just
diffracted white light, showing lots of different colours.. yet still
only white light .. then cannot Universal Energy also be diffracted?
Exactly! Ahhh...the different vibration level...ok I can take that.
Well I can't tell which one I am feeling then. And that is okay. Your
life or spiritual path is like a spiral going ever upward. Every time
you finish one circle of the spiral, you begin another one with all
the same lessons, just advanced from the last cycle. No is smarter
or better than another, we are all working on the same lessons just
at different levels. Scratches head. That is why we always reach behind
us and help the others up. That is what we are doing here in this
site! Roadwarrior and Arachna helped me, I helped Amber, she helped
you, and you will help others!
Why do we think we are better than the other? Ego. So too much Ego
could drive you over the edge, over to a little Ego okay! Yes cannot
help it we all come with some ego. But we do not have to let it take
us over, and keep us from fulfilling our lifetime spiritual lessons.
Is finding balance that’s the hard part. Everyone, I work with,
I seem to have to start with balance, especially when they are in
transition from non-awareness to awareness.
What make me hopping mad, is people have a lot; and they think they
know it all, as for me only got a little ego seems to be going okay.
I would of thought another’s ego was what effected our own.
It does sometime, it is usually obvious when you are in a relationship
and the other is draining you of energy that is why shielding is important,
sometimes with the most important one person in your life. I married
the only shield I every found...LOL. I think I need to keep a big
charger ready! Yes, and regular charging is preferred, more importantly
than charging is this.... Do not relay on your own energies.... be
open to the Divine Energy and channel it...channel it...be like a
radio. You can Never have enough Personal Energy, it will always be
depleted. Your crown charka is where it flows in, have it fill you,
and then let it flow through you, if you try to hold it in...you will
feel overloaded. It overloaded LOL, sometimes too much. IF overloaded,
ground; think of tree roots into the earth, if necessary lay on the
ground, or floor. The Earth takes the extra energy and transforms
it...like it does everything. No wasn’t that always giving.
I have this theory.... Many of us have health problems. I believe
it comes from actual energy burnout. Mishandling of energy... We are
energy systems...nerves that connect with spurts of energy, which
we can blow out.... too much energy. We may try and do too much and
our body gives out. Allowing the balance to become ... unbalanced.
So balance is essential, an actual survival technique. If you cannot
handle energy...you are in trouble...
So it is like scales, one side can weigh more then the other side,
so this happens we must doing something about it. If you let energy
do what it wants unbalanced. If you don’t give something that
lives attention; sooner or later it dries up and dies. Would of thought
the burnout would be due to similar reasons. And....we all screw up.
It is just as we learn and become more aware; we screw up less and
Our body is a temple, if we don’t look after it, it will fall
down. Our body is a voice and we must listen to, some chose not to
listen to it. They do not listen they are Lazy.
I don’t agree. Good! Why? You are making your own presumption
without understanding why. Therefore, your Ego in a way speaking.
Of what, I love this, please proceed? What you think other people
are. Judgemental? Yes! Lazy is rather a judgemental word. Biggest
mistake anyone makes is giving that attention to those who they judge,
and not helping the ones in need of their precious time and energy.
Why do we judge each other though. Is it because we don't understand?
So we judge each other? There are other alternatives, Other reasons,
Unconsidered, Lack of information, Social conditioning, Lack of empathy,
Not walking in their shoes, Not as well informed... have no access
to the info...? We all are given helpers, they are there to help whoever
they are mentally able. Friends, people to support when it is needed.
Some friend chose to walk away when the other is in need to. Lazy
is a harsh choice or word, okay...I will accept that I could have
said that better and yes I was being judgemental. I am speaking to
a room of light workers.... I should not have assumed they all knew
to listen to their bodies, and to try to help the body...
I guess I am judgemental, in that if a person does not know any better
they are in ignorance of the knowledge, although if a person does
know better and doesn’t do then they are stupid, and yes, this
is one of my past life lessons that I struggle with. Then we are all
ignorant and stupid together then aren’t we. And struggling,
I still struggle with it as you all can see. So do we all. Okay, I
can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself. We all have
that little bit of dark in our light.... just like in the ying yang
Here is a problem for a light work and ego.... other people put them
up on a pedestal sometimes, and that is easy to go to your head. Yes,
don't like pedestals.... afraid of heights. And pedestals are a lousy
place to be too. Too draughty, not comfy at all, think pedestals no
very good for peep who don’t like heights…think chop it
down so not so scared of heights. The opposite of Ego I think is Humility...as
long as we can keep humble...then Ego doesn't have a chance. That
is why many of the light do not tell what they do, Only do it. That
is right that is why it is getting so hard to find teachers who will
share. Did anyone notice that I was very quiet when I first came to
this site? I share what I know. I was taught in a way ...that I just
know, but cannot give you the text and verse of it. I get answers,
I have no idea where they came from, and have no history that I would
ever know the answer.
You will have ‘knowings’ information...that is not yours
it is channelled...and as long as you have grown to recognize it as
such...then share it...or go and find it on the web and study it more.
Such in the Chat this week…the Sophia factor. How many of us
hit the web that night looking for the scriptures of Sophia. Who is
she I have never heard of her before? She is the female facet of the
One, the Goddess and then that very week, I hit someone who brought
it up... Sophia is the Greek name for the Holy Ghost. Home is the
original Hebrew version. Arkoma I am uncertain of spelling, it’s
a transliteration anyway, dream, Hebrew lacks vowels... uses little
diacritical marks instead... if they think of it. It is an actually
name; they translated it out of the original language while leaving
Jesus and the lords in original. That hid the fact it was the name
of third person. I have just written about something similar to that.
I wrote about the sign of the cross in a similar aspect. I found in
my studies; all traditions started with one. Omni-potent god, then
there was under it a male then also a female deity, then they split
from there in similar ways till you had many lesser gods or like saints.
Anyone else ever notice that? I tend to think of saints as part of
God’s executive staff. I think of them as different facets of
the One thing. Like a diamond, One diamond, one celestial corporation
(for lack of better terminology)... many ways of looking at this none
of them wrong. Absolutely correct! I am not sure.... I think in some
ways saints were shown tube mortal men and women to show us we can
be God / Christ like, whatever, with application. Maybe saint was
not the right word.... it is like the Egyptian hierarchy or the Indian
East, Greek or Roman hierarchy...
Ascended Masters typically referred to people who either were mortal
or associated with mortals, and therefore know more about us. Knowing
more, the Guides, and minds of men and women and the condition of
their world and in some cases, Egyptian = Greek = Roman (like Athena
and Minerva). Yes.... otherwise what do us mortals aspire to? i.e.
'oh I can’t do that...they're gods etc'. Ascended Masters can
also be thought of as older souls that come back to teach again and
again, many are never recognized as ascended masters but just ordinary
people. True, many do incarnate as mortals at one time or another
as part of their life lessons.
So if we come back from a passed life, was it meant to teach us something
about the life we are living now? Then they can teach. Yes, you have
a set of goals/lessons you want to work on in this lifetime. If you
fail, you keep coming back repeating the lesson till you get it. If
you succeeded you start a new set of lessons in the next lifetime.
I think the fact they may reincarnate as mortals is more for benefit
of others (i.e. teaching) than the soul itself? When you are done
at this earth dimension, you can move on to other schools or maybe
a different kind of dimension not in universe form. The curriculum
for your next class on the learning planet or learning universe depending
on the next destination...but it's possible to fail and get held back
a life. Mine one must been too much trust, so come back again to learn
from it. Yes...maybe fail is not the right word, it just does not
go as you planned...got off course or did not give you the lesson
Then you can quit... freewill.... Yes, I said it quit... Each lifetime
comes with one ultimate ending...that is it no choice, But it has
many other times that you can opt out. I would like to quit someday.
Can take that one up with the life review board, wasn’t meant
to be funny, but if you derive humour from it, then great, but I've
had some past life regressions that did include the lesson review
with the life review board. After a lifetime, there is a period of
review and evaluation. Have you ever been in a near miss accident?
Or heard of the person who did not get on the plane, and it crashed?
Or took a call and missed the plane crashing into the conference room.
I know of at least 3 times in my life... I believe that everyone has
several possible exit points in his or her life and it depends on
the higher self making that split-second decision at that moment.
You will usually come back with a group of other souls to act out
the plot. The soul group trade parts from lifetime to lifetime. Would
that be a karmic tie? Trading roles? Sometimes it can be yes.
I hope I didn’t step on toes in hear, sorry if I have, I will
be quiet now. Oh …no way...this is open anyone can say anything....
remember I said, we will hear things we do not know. Things that are
unfamiliar or uncomfortable; and that is Ok Like I loved it when someone
speaks up that teaches me a lesson. That is why.... for this discussion
to succeed, we have to trust and love enough to be able to say anything.
We are here to share. No one knows answers, just their own truths.
We all just debating what we believe...you have much to add. I think
that depends sometimes its as though although the info isn’t
ours as such, we *know* what it means.... and sometimes we don’t.
It depends who the info is for and their needs. Yes ‘knowings’
Have any of you ever read Jane Roberts 'SETH'. 'SETH' is an entity,
who used Jane Roberts as a vessel to give information to our world.
Her husband took the notes and transcribed them. Seth wrote four books
that way. Jane had never even believed in any of this, and was sure
she was insane. I think he (Seth) influenced many light workers' thinking?
Yes he did.... Richard Bach, author of Illusions and Jonathan Livingston
Seagull talked to him. Seth.... made it acceptable.
Thank you all for coming and sharing!